Rev A Brandram

Glasgow, 4th Oct. 1845

My Dear Friend,

            I am moving about and about in this great city, and perhaps some good may follow, if not immediately, more remotely. I have also from this as a centre point been visiting several places in the neighbourhood. Of these movements I intend giving you a more particular account in due time. My present object in writing is respecting China. I enclose you a letter for Singapore which I obtained from a friend of Mr John Henderson's, in conformity with Mr Browne's note of the 2nd ultimo. I hope you will find it useful, and I may perhaps obtain one or more similar letters before I leave Glasgow.

            But my main object in writing at present is in regard to a communication I had today bearing much on Bible operations in China. Mr. W. P. Paton in this city has just received a letter from one of the Missionaries in China, in which he informs him, that he and his fellow Missionaries are getting on slowly with the Revision of the Chinese Scriptures, and that slowness he says is owing to a disconfidence about you printing what you they revise, for (from what I could gather from what was read to me) you have distinctly stated to the Missionaries that you will not pledge yourselves for printing their Revision when ready. Mr. Paton's correspondent greatly laments this, and clearly signifies how much the progress of the work is thus retarded. I confess I was a good deal surprised to hear these statements, as I always thought you were urging on the Missionaries with every encouragement in this so great a work, whereas it seems you are doing the very reverse. It is only a few hours since I learned what I have here stated. But I would not by any means lose a post in communicating the same to you, and more especially as Monday is Committee day. I consider the subject very grave and shall be glad to hear from you regarding it, say by Tuesday's post.

            I remain, My Dear Friend,

                                     Ever Truly Yours,

                                                James Thomson.

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Rev A Brandram

Glasgow 11th October 1845

My Dear Friend,

Being now about to leave this city and neighborhood, I sit down to give you some account of my movements and operations since my last dated in Inverness the 26th of September.

From Inverness Westward through the Lakes, and Southward to Glasgow, I travelled in company with several of the Free Church Ministers who had been attending the General Assembly in Inverness, and were then returning homeward. Our Bible Society was of course at times the theme of our conversations. Most of the persons referred to were on the Edinburgh Bible Society side, but they were with one exception better minded towards our Institution than is indicated in the Edinburgh documents, and I include in this one of the Committee of the Edinburgh Bible Society who was with us. The said documents were disapproved of. And I may here state that this is a feeling I have generally met with all over the country among those not joining with us, but rather with the Edinburgh Bible Society. They are not adverse to us. They wish your improvement in some things, but rejoice in your operations.

In Glasgow I have paid many visits, and two Public Meetings have been held, besides several Committee meetings. Favourable notice of these public meetings was taken by most, if not all, of our newspapers here, including the Free Church organ, and not a syllable has appeared against us in any quarter.

One of the acquaintances I made on the way from Inverness to this city was that of Dr. Smyth, one of the two Secretaries of the Glasgow Bible Society, a Society considered always to side with the Bible Society of Edinburgh. This gentleman I have since seen on different occasions, and been kindly treated by him at his table. Dr. Smyth is a Minister of the Free Church. He coincided in the Edinburgh Bible Society statements, and in their separation from you, and still he sees things much in the light of former times: but with all this he has a kindly feeling toward us, and rejoices in our prosperity, though very anxiously desirous of our amendment in some things. Previous to our Public Meetings I ascertained from Dr. Smyth that no part would be taken by him and his friends in opposition to us. Had I found a different disposition we would not have held any Public Meeting, being desirous of avoiding such exhibitions us took place after our Public Meeting in Edinburgh. Dr. Willis the other Secretary is also a Minister of the Free Church, and whom I may describe in Dr. Smyth's own words: He is more liberal, said he, in regard to your Society than I am. This gentleman has also shown me his hospitalities, and has distinctly expressed goodwill towards you.

In conversations first, and afterwards formally by letter, half private half official, I have set before these gentlemen and their Society the claims we have on all Bible Institutions for help, inasmuch as we are the only Bible Society that is in any measure providing the Scriptures for the heathen and Mohammedan world, in all their millions, besides destitute Christendom also. Your objections to us, I said, applies only to a few versions in our European operations. May you not, inconsistency with holding these objections, still help us in our vast work in Asia, etc., where these objections have no place? And were you then kindly to aid us, your suggestions for our improvement would most likely tell better upon us. In this manner I have represented things, and Dr. Smyth says that as soon as a pretty full meeting can be convened, after parties absent returned to the city, he will read my letter in Committee; and I shall have a friendly, he says, if not unfavourable answer.

As regards the Established Church, in addition to various private visits, we have had two conference meetings, at which a number of Ministers were present. The latter one was at the close of the Presbytery meeting with all the members present. From what occurred in our communications it was agreed that a Committee should be formed consisting of all those then assembled, in order to take the Bible Society subject into consideration. No pledge was given as to the course they would pursue, but the expressions uttered by various individuals were decidedly in favour of having a Society formed in connection with you. Of this Committee, Dr. Hill, Professor of Divinity in this University, and the present Moderator of the General Assembly, is convener.

In respect to the Dissenters here, as in other parts of over Scotland, they are our friends, and have all along been so. But I may say of them, that they are rather sleeping than active partners in our concern, owing to the long inactivity in Scotland in our favour. One of my objects here has been to a wake these sleeping partners, and make them open their eyes wide to see the nature of our great work, and our need of their active cooperation. Perhaps something has been done in this way, and it will now lying with you to keep shaking these are friends less they falll again into slumber.

The other day the Relief Presbytery in this city passed the following resolution: – "The attention of the Presbytery having been called to the operations of the British and Foreign Bible Society, the court agreed to record their high approbation of the Institution, and to recommend that, on the second Sabbath of November next, (or, in cases where that day is found unsuitable, on some Sabbath as near there to as convenient,) the Minister in the bounds should call the attention of their several congregations to the operations and claims of the British and Foreign Bible Society, and that they should in other ways according to their influence and opportunity, endeavour to promote the interests of said Society, and the great cause to which it is engaged."

The Presbytery of the United Secession Church usually assembling in this city will, I believe, pass a similar resolution at their next meeting. The Independents are equally friendly towards us, and most probably will correspondingly serve us, by the several Ministers addressing their congregations on the subject. The Baptists though friendly to us seem to think that their own translation Society has the greatest claim on them for help.

From this place as a centre, I have visited, and on different occasions, Paisley, Greenock, Irvine, Ayr, and Kilmarnock. Public Meetings have been held at all of them, except Ayr, which I have yet to visit in my way Southward, and collections have been made to aid in our work. Our meeting that Greenock was held in the church of one of the Vice Presidents of the Greenock Branch of the Edinburgh Bible Society, and the same gentleman was present with us, as was likewise a member of the Edinburgh Bible Society Committee there on a visit. Steps have been taken in some of the places above named for forming Bible Societies in connection with us.

I have spoken with some Merchants here as to our China work, and have procured a letter to a gentleman in Singapore, to be sent to that place along with copies of the Scriptures in the Chinese language, in the full expectation that he will take an interest in their proper distribution. Towards your China Fund, Mr. John Henderson of the city has given me one hundred pounds, and also another hundred for your general objects. Some other donations have got besides this handsome one, partly for China, and partly for our whole work.

I know purpose going Southward through Ayr to Stranraer, and then along the South of Scotland to Dumfries and Annan, where I will take my departure for England, and expect to be in London on the first of November.

I am, My Dear Friend,

Very Truly Yours,

James Thomson.

P.S. I should have mentioned what I now do that the Rev. I S Taylor, one of the Secretaries of our Auxiliary here, has very kindly entertained your Agent during all his stay in Glasgow, and has also in every other ways contributed to forward our objects.

Mr. Hitchin

Greenock, 27th August 1850

My Dear Sir,

            I had purposed to see you about this time, having expected to be at Frankfort to attend the great Peace Congress[1] there, an object in which I feel much interest. Things so turned out that my more immediate duty seemed to be that I should at this period occupy my time in Scotland, in pleading, as I am doing, for Spain and Portugal, and those other countries connected with them in language.

            Last week I spent a day with Mr. John Henderson in the neighbourhood of Glasgow, and whom you probably know personally, or at all events by name. He is the gentleman who has laboured so much in the Sabbath cause.

            Mr Henderson gave me to read the copy of a letter addressed to you by W. Marriott, dated Basle, the 15th inst. In that letter it is stated that Mr. W. (I suppose Mr. Weimar) circulated Bibles with the Apocrypha in them, and printed at the expense of the B. and F. Bible Society. This statement appears to me very singular, and if true is certainly greatly wrong, considering the delicate position of the Bible Society on this point. It would seem that you had stated to Dr. Marriott that Mr. Weimar was at liberty to circulate Bibles with the Apocrypha, as he was not an agent of the Bible Society. That the Society Bibles are sold at places where Bible with the Apocrypha are also sold, but not its property, is I believe true, and understood by the Society, but considering that Mr. Weimar was so much or nearly altogether employed by the Society and paid by him is a different case, and I should not think the Society would authorise or tolerate him to circulate these Apocrypha Bibles. How Bibles were issued, with the Apocrypha at the expense of the S. I do not understand.

            It is further stated that Mr. Weimar circulated Bibles having in them Lists of the Epistles and Gospels, with Saints Days including the Days of the Virgin Mary, and also that the Confession of Augsburg was bound up in the Bibles he circulated. Surely these things were wrong and highly so.

            It appears by the letter before me that you declined entering on proper inquiries in this matter so as to ascertain the nature and whole extent of the evil. I am not fully aware of the various circumstances connected with this concern, but as far as I do see into them, I think it was a pity such investigation was not gone into, and the evil forthwith corrected.

            I hope you have seen it good to attend to his present letter and within the period mentioned which will end to morrow.

            I am here you see in Scotland where this Apocrypha concern is not yet forgotten. I thought I could speak with perfect confidence and to the purity of the Society on the point, but not so, if  Dr. M's statements are correct. Please write to me on this.

            I shall be returning to London before long, and shall necessarily have some conversation with Mr. Brandram on the subject, as this is not the first communication from Mr. Henderson respecting it, and the matter should be fully understood and settled.

            I called on Mrs Trueman the other day in Newton Place, Glasgow, but she had just left.

            With kind regards to all your family, believe me,

                        Yours Very Truly,

                                    James Thomson.

 

[1] Third General Peace Congress, 22-24 August, 1850, organised by Quakers. (BM)

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